Talk:Shirley Temple (drink)

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Ingredients

This article lists the version made with lemon-lime soda as the default or "standard" Shirley Temple, but most recipes I have seen use ginger ale as the base and list lemon-lime soda as a variant. Does anyone know which version is more common? If it is ginger ale, the article should be changed to reflect that. Sara 17:16, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Well, maybe it's a regional thing, but everyone I asked said a Shirley Temple was "Seven-Up and Grenadine". I did a web search when I was working on this article and the results overwhelmingly gave the version I listed as standard. I found some mention of ginger ale, but mostly in the context of the "Ginger-ale and OJ with Grenadine" version. -- Logotu 18:21, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I only know what I've read on webtender.com, drinksmixer.com, and a few similar sites whose names I can't remember -- their recipes universally use ginger ale, and list the version with lemon-lime soda under the name "Kiddie Cocktail" (which is a fairly awful name, IMO). Actually, I was a little surprised when I first saw this (I know for a fact that the Shirley Temples they served when I was a kid were made with 7-Up), but since there seemed to be a consensus I figured ginger ale was the standard.

Perhaps the information in these web guides is derived from a common, and in this instance erroneous, source -- that seems to me the most plausible explanation for how so many of the sites could share information that is at variance with how the drink is usually made. Sara 22:42, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I've tried to keep the lemon-lime nonsense out of the main description of this article for a long time, but I'm giving up. The drink is made with ginger ale. It always has been, and it always will be. There is no credible evidence otherwise. The mention of lemon-lime soft drink has slowly crept into the situation by countless ignorant people. Upon tasting the drink, most assume a lemon-lime base and even bartenders get tricked into this trap. It is ginger ale. There is no lemon-lime anything. Alas, I give up.

BenFenner (talk) 18:50, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Place of invention

This article claims that the Temple cocktail was invented "by a bartender at Chasen's restaurant in Beverly Hills, CA." Shirley Temple claims the cocktail was invented "at the Royal Hawaiian Hotel in Waikiki, Hawaii, where she often stayed." Which one is it? 64.40.61.191 03:10, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I certainly can't imagine her being a regular at a Canadian gay bar, as the article says now. Kaesa 03:04, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think when Shirley was a kid there was no 7up or lemon soda so how they have it with lemon soda —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.167.81.239 (talk) 06:54, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Question

If this refreshment is non-alcoholic as this article claims it to be, how did I get crunk of consuming one glass of it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.208.9.221 (talk • contribs).

Well, since colored boys and wiggers are the only people who use the ghetto term "crunk", the answer is, probably you were high on weed or "malt likka" before you drank your ST. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.48.0.67 (talk) 23:55, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Variations

Since there is a variations section to the article, the main description should stick to the classic description of the drink.

I'll remove all variation from the main, and add them to variation.

Also the variations should not include the description of the original.. The original is, by definition, not a variation.

Vmerling (talk) 17:37, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Page name

I have never heard this drink referred to as a Shirley Temple cocktail, only as a Shirley Temple. I know this needs to be a distinct article from Shirley Temple the actress, but I think the best page name for this article would be "Shirley Temple (cocktail)", since the word cocktail is only for disambiguation, and is not part of the drink's actual name. However, I am no expert, so perhaps someone who knows more about the drink could confirm that this assertion is correct before we move the page. leevclarke (talk) 16:33, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why is this drink called a "cocktail," when the definition of a cocktail includes alcohol? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.61.214.56 (talk) 06:56, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Good point, although I suppose it could be argued that a Shirley Temple can qualify as a "cocktail", as some types of grenadine do contain a negligible amount of alcohol. I'm going to move it to "Shirley Temple (drink)" and see if anyone objects. Joefromrandb (talk) 22:05, 23 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I actually went with "Shirley Temple (beverage)", which I think is better yet. I also managed to fuck things up with an unintentional misspelling; note that in the move-history, the summary "you're an idiot" is directed at Joe from R&B. Joefromrandb (talk) 22:18, 23 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ingredients

Regardless of whether chasen's or royal hawaiian invented this drink they both are specific in its ingredients being 2-1 ginger ale and orange juice with grenadine and marascino cherry garnish. The lemon lime soda variation isn't really a shirley temple at all. It's sometimes referred to as a kiddie cocktail which also omits the orange juice. I've changed the article to reflect this. How this debate went on this long when both contended creators have cited identical recipes is beyond me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tybodger (talk • contribs) 01:17, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Shirley Temple drink.

Since 1974 that far back as I can remember I have had Shirley Temple drinks made for me in restaurants, and my father made them at home for me as well. They were always made with 7Up and grenadine. This is the original recipe made for Shirley Temple! Any other combination was not accurate and wrong! FYI my father was born in 1930's and he definitely knows. Since back in the 1970's it was popular to have a bar at your house. My father was our bartender. 2600:1012:B188:1474:487:5608:CF95:798A (talk) 04:56, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We hear this a lot, and we do understand! I find it really difficult myself to sit down with Google and actually find a concrete, historical accounting of the recipe. Of the modern sources we do have, they seem to be in really consistent agreement that the 1930's recipe was one of ginger-ale and grenadine, and I think that's very likely what it was in that era -- but ultimately, being such a simple and well-known way to mix up a drink, I'm not sure there is such a thing as a definitive recipe. 7-up and grenadine is also always going to be known as a Shirley Temple too!

Anyways, enjoy your holiday! 2601:405:8400:283:2DAF:ABCB:2CB:6044 (talk) 10:47, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Non-Alcoholic?

Is anyone else confused as to why the article refers to it as a non-alcoholic drink? Most restaurants I’ve been to serve it as an alcoholic drink and you have to specifically ask for it to be virgin. 2600:8805:3E1E:4C00:F1D2:BB7A:25BD:572C (talk) 16:39, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]