Talk:Numbered musical notation

Issue about #5

I have a question concerning the #5 issue in the Aeolian minor scale when writing jianpu. In the Aeolian scale there is normally a whole step between the leading tone and "do". Is the author saying that in jianpu the leading tone is always raised in the natural minor, Aeolian, scale?

Greg

No, there will be no accidentals for natural minor or Aeolian scale. Look at the natural minor scale under octave change. The #5 issue is only valid when we write the harmonic minor scale... -- Felix Wan 01:35, 2005 Mar 24 (UTC)

Dashes and dots after musical notes

Changes made by 220.163.29.112 [1] was actually a common mistake. Please read the instructions right before the examples. For example, In 4/4 time, "1 - -" is 3 beats (dotted half-note), and "1 - ·" is actually 2.5 beats. -- Felix Wan 00:00, 2005 May 5 (UTC)

This should cross-reference the Nashville Notation article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nashville_notation

cs

what "c" does the 1 mean?

Assuming that 1=C, What "C" does the 1 mean? Middle C? Frosty ^(sup?) 20:35, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

I think it depends on the instrument that will be playing the music (or the human voice that will be singing it). I'm not sure how you're supposed to specify an absolute octave number (other than by writing it in some text). Silas S. Brown (talk) 19:31, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

"1=C" stands for "Doh equals Middle C", i.e. C major scale. -- Yejianfei (talk) 00:42, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

but I have seen dizi parts that say 1=D even when played on a dizi that sounds a whole octave or more above middle C, and I have seen vocal parts that can be sung by both male and female voices at different octaves, so I don't think 1=C always means middle C. It might for some instruments. Does anyone have a citation? Silas S. Brown (email, talk) 06:25, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Triplets

How does one represent triplets in this notation system? Microcosmmm (talk) 05:02, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

As far as I know, by drawing triplet brackets over the top of the affected notes. That's what I did in http://ssb22.user.srcf.net/mwrhome/jianpu-ly.html Silas S. Brown (talk) 21:46, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

glissandi

In the diagrams in the glissandi section, I see only a dot and some digits. It would be useful to see an example of the symbol being described as well (although it is quite clearly described in words). Elroch (talk) 08:05, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

History of numbered notation

The historical part of this article is a stub. I don't know the part of the Chinese story, but a few facts that are important to link the early history (Rousseau, Chevet) to the Asian story of numbered notation: The use of numbered notation was widely discussed in 19th century music journals throughout Western countries and at least temporarily used by a number of singing teachers. Christian missionaries made a wide use of it at least since the 19th century throughout the world. This was perhaps (needs confirmation) the way numbered notation came to Asia first. Japan, which perhaps introduced Western singing classes into public schools first in Asia (since around 1880), used numbered notation widely in music education since then and for prints of vocal music. In Japan it came out of use during the 20th century. Besides the influence of Christian missionaries the influence of Japanese public education to other Asian countries — Japanese colonies before 1945 as well as other countries like China — was great. Maybe also the wide use of numbered notation in China nowadays is to a great part due to the Japanese influence in the first half of 20th century. 114.184.177.209 (talk) 02:25, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Rousseau's notation and boustrophedonic music scores?

It would be useful to have some additional information for Rousseau's notation and boustrophedonic music scores. He devised scores with alternating directions in order to help musicians avoid losing their place when sight reading what they were playing. DFH (talk) 14:57, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

See, for example, Rousseau Musical Notation. DFH (talk) 15:03, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Did the boustrophedonic scores use numbered notation or a different notation? If a different notation then perhaps a separate article should be started. I don't know enough about it to do that. Silas S. Brown (talk) 21:51, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Octave

Which octave is a number without dots?--77.0.226.181 (talk) 21:29, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

See the above section What "c" does the 1 mean? Silas S. Brown (email, talk) 19:23, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Sliding up arrow notation

See http://tansungwah.blogspot.co.uk/2008/01/erhu-score-symbols-and-notations.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.155.139.150 (talk) 19:04, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Article title in German

Article is entitled there de:Chinesische Ziffernotation (Chinese number notation). It is not consistent with English title, titles should be same and translated for each language. --5.43.73.144 (talk); 19:15, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

This is indeed a problem; specifically, it would be an "interwiki conflict" on Wikidata. Artoria2e5 🌉 14:06, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Online jianpu

I have zero idea where that thing came from. What I know is:

• The text was added in April 2023; Chinese Wikipedia received the addition around the same time (zh:Special:Diff/76761225). Same author too, BnaiBrithChai.
• From what I can understand, the system:
  • Has the same meaning for numbers 1 through 7. The up-octave dot is represented by a straight single quote '.
  • Represents bars by /; // at end-of line.
  • Uses parenthesis pairs to replace underlines in quavers.
• But there are also things I don't get.
  • The 0 seems to do double duty, acting both as the note-lengthing dash and musical rest.
  • Whatever the ! means.
  • One workable theory would be that 0 prefixed by 0 or ! is rest, but 0 prefixed by something else acts as a lengthening dash. But that sounds over-complicated when the - sign is right there on the keyboard.

Artoria2e5 🌉 14:04, 19 January 2024 (UTC)