This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Marxism–Leninism article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Socialism, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of socialism on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SocialismWikipedia:WikiProject SocialismTemplate:WikiProject Socialismsocialism articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Organized Labour, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of articles related to Organized Labour on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Organized LabourWikipedia:WikiProject Organized LabourTemplate:WikiProject Organized Labourorganized labour articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Russia, a WikiProject dedicated to coverage of Russia on Wikipedia. To participate: Feel free to edit the article attached to this page, join up at the project page, or contribute to the project discussion.RussiaWikipedia:WikiProject RussiaTemplate:WikiProject RussiaRussia articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Philosophy, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of content related to philosophy on Wikipedia. If you would like to support the project, please visit the project page, where you can get more details on how you can help, and where you can join the general discussion about philosophy content on Wikipedia.PhilosophyWikipedia:WikiProject PhilosophyTemplate:WikiProject PhilosophyPhilosophy articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Soviet Union, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Soviet UnionWikipedia:WikiProject Soviet UnionTemplate:WikiProject Soviet UnionSoviet Union articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject China, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of China related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ChinaWikipedia:WikiProject ChinaTemplate:WikiProject ChinaChina-related articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Economics, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Economics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.EconomicsWikipedia:WikiProject EconomicsTemplate:WikiProject EconomicsEconomics articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Politics, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of politics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.PoliticsWikipedia:WikiProject PoliticsTemplate:WikiProject Politicspolitics articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject History, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the subject of History on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.HistoryWikipedia:WikiProject HistoryTemplate:WikiProject Historyhistory articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject European history, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the history of Europe on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.European historyWikipedia:WikiProject European historyTemplate:WikiProject European historyEuropean history articles
This article is within the scope of the Military history WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.Military historyWikipedia:WikiProject Military historyTemplate:WikiProject Military historymilitary history articles
This article has been checked against the following criteria for B-class status:
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Cold War, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the Cold War on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Cold WarWikipedia:WikiProject Cold WarTemplate:WikiProject Cold WarCold War articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Sociology, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of sociology on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SociologyWikipedia:WikiProject SociologyTemplate:WikiProject Sociologysociology articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject International relations, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of International relations on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.International relationsWikipedia:WikiProject International relationsTemplate:WikiProject International relationsInternational relations articles
This article is written in British English, which has its own spelling conventions (colour, travelled, centre, defence, artefact, analyse) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus.
There is improperly sourced material on the page that is common knowledge for just about everyone who knows about Marxism Leninism. I don't know how it was allowed in the first place, but even when I edit it with sources it gets removed. Maybe someone else can edit it better than I can. Marxism Leninism was made by Lenin and it supports a global revolution in due time, while taking the steps towards socialism in the meantime. Socialism of one country was a policy of Stalin, that goes against Marxism Leninism's core foundation to achieve communism.
It would really help if you could expand a little bit. Please explain how the cited content is improperly cited (you can quote each part and what the cited sources says to make the comparison easier for those who don't see what you're seeing). M.Bitton (talk) 20:31, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The currently sourced statements are just flat out wrong. One of the sources for Marxism-Leninism being made by Stalin is sourced from a book about Stalinism. None of the three sources can be verified just linked to random books, nothing other than the title of them and their codes. My edit had sources that backed itself up, unlike what's on there now.
The paragraph I tried to edit is about Stalinism, not Marxism-Leninism, but it's attributed to being Marxism Leninism.
Here Lenin addresses congress and advocates for support and aid for other countries revolution alongside their own. The whole thing about Communism is that it requires a global revolution, the confusion is that Lenin began his steps toward socialism in one country as a beginning toward global Communism, while Stalin conceded his policy as a final point, abandoning the global revolution.
Lenin's name is literally in the title of the ideology and his picture is on the logo.
Here is my edit that had the proper sources, I don't think it was actually read without being removed first.
Marxism-Leninism is an adaptation of Marxism developed by Vladimir Lenin, which led to the first successful communist revolution in Lenin's Russia in November 1917. As such, it formed the ideological foundation for the world communist movement centering on the Soviet Union. In the twentieth century, all nations calling themselves communist and communist parties in other nations were founded on Marxist-Leninist principles. The core ideological features of Marxism-Leninism include the belief that a revolutionary proletarian class would not emerge automatically from capitalism. Instead, there was the need for a professional revolutionary vanguard party to lead the working class in the violent overthrow of capitalism, to be followed by a dictatorship of the proletariat as the first stage of moving toward communism.
Really this entire subject is wrong. There is no such thing as "Leninism", that is what Marxism-Leninism is. The Leninism page shouldn't exist, the content of it should be under Marxism-Leninism's page, and clarified that Lenin created the ideology but Stalin coined the term Marxism Leninism.
This isn't true. Lenin didn't create leninism because Lenin considered himself an orthodox marxist. Stalin did create the ideology and coin the term "Marxist-leninism". Stalinism = Marxist-leninism, an ideology that developed coherence long after Lenin's death. 209.171.85.88 (talk) 16:53, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
All Communist material should be sourced exclusively from Marxists.org, Wikipedia has too many errors to count and needs to be rebuilt from the ground up by the admins themselves.
There's too many issues to name and the admins won't let us change them, so I ask the admins to work with Marxists.org and redo everything from scratch. Like literally everything even remotely communist related needs to be redone and replaced.
Wikipedia has always been reliable for me until I started studying communism, now I question what else I've learned.
Basing everything from a single source will always be a bad idea; articles are built from a wide variety of independent sources. The reliability of Marxists.org has also been questioned in the past as it's partisan; it's good for finding works to reference, but it won't always be as objective as more independently written works. — Czello(music)09:47, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Admins have no more authority than any other editors, just extra tools. It's not up to admins or anyone to contact any third party to inquire about editing any article- persons interested in the content of an article need to be here, and discuss their concerns. Wikipedia does not claim to be a reliable source, see Wikipedia:General disclaimer- and shouldn't be used as a source, see Wikipedia is not a reliable source. No one should trust Wikipedia blindly- they should examine the sources for themselves. 331dot (talk) 09:52, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia reflects the consensus of reliable sources, with an emphasis on academic research published by recognized subject matter experts. It is not a mouthpiece for any particular organization, faction, or doctrine, or selection of source material. Marxists.org have their own website, Wikipedia is not, nor should be, a mirror. for the particular doctrines found there, or to treat it as the sole authority on who should be considered a reliable source. Between your misconceptions about where Wikipedia finds information, and who does it, you appear to have a profoundly mistaken understanding of this encyclopedia. If you wish to explain how you think any of the 250+ references and dozens of bibliographic cites to subject matter experts are mistaken, please do so. We're not going to throw them all out to reflect one website's opinions. Acroterion(talk)12:07, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]