Talk:Louis-Alexandre Berthier

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Would someone please verify

"He abandoned Napoleon to make his peace with Louis XVIII." recently anonymously changed to "He abandoned Napoleon,retired to his 600 acre estate, and resumed his hobbies of falconing and scupturing. Berthier made peace with Louis XVIII..."

I believe "falconing" would be "falconry" and I would guess that "scupturing" is "sculpture". All sounds likely enough, but with so much vandalism lately, I'd appreciate if a registered used who knows something about Berthier would confirm these facts, which were added anonymously without comment or citation. -- Jmabel | Talk 23:27, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)

Since it's been 2 months and no one has weighed in, I am going to edit accordingly. -- Jmabel | Talk 03:18, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)

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This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 07:13, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

plagiarism

I don't know who wrote this and I don't want to know... in any case the work is now attributed. Tirronan (talk) 05:29, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Did some research: Almost the entirety of the article is copied word for word from the 1910-11 Encyclopedia Britannica. Much of it needs to be rewritten to meet the standards of a modern encyclopedia. On a broader note: What's with all of these Napoleonic articles featuring content copied from the 1911 Britannica? Marechal Ney (talk) 03:20, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica is now in the public domain, and can be used as a source without restriction, although Wikipedia standards call for attribution of the material to that source. Many Wikipedia articles were originally taken from that source both because it is now in public domain and because until quite recently it has been regarded as extremely detailed (although dated) content-wise and an enduring model of English scholarly prose. Subsequent editions, crowded by scientific developments, drastically shortened most of its historical and, particularly, its biographical articles and have dumbed down the exquisitely nuanced text. Most Wiki articles originally sourced to the 1911 are being gradually updated employing a less exclusively Western perspective and more "modernised" prose. FactStraight (talk) 03:46, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Chief of Staff

I wonder if it's right to call Berthier 'Chief of Staff'. Napoleon didn't have a staff as such. It would be more precise to say that Berthier WAS Napoleon's staff. //erik.bramsen.copenhagen 79.138.140.187 (talk) 06:46, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

While it might not be 100% correct to call/translate Berthier's rank 'Chief of Staff',
it is the term that is most often used for him in english translations. (Its more often 'Chief of the Staff', actually)
Translations of authors such as Headley ^[1] will most often have it be 'Chief of Staff' or 'Chief of the Staff'.
Concidering that this article is pretty outdated and doesn't exactly fit into a modern wiki anyways, we can say that this is propably acceptable. 
 J.Kurkov (talk) 11:54, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Headley, Joel Tyler. Napoleon and his marshals. Scribner, Armstrong & Company, 1876.

[1] Headley, Joel Tyler. Napoleon and his marshals. Scribner, Armstrong & Company, 1876.

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