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"add in 1969, A play by Peter Stone and Sherman Edwards about the 2nd Continental Congress and the adoption of the Declaration of Independence, '1776', was released starring William Daniels to play as John Adams. The musical would later inspire the movie to later come out in 1972 (also starring William Daniels as John Adams). both the movie and musical depict John Adams as the main protagonist [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1776_(musical)%7C musical]]
.to In 2008, a miniseries was released based on the McCullough biography, featuring Paul Giamatti as Adams.[1]"
Personally, I'm not convinced these are notable enough for inclusion in an already long featured article. Figures as prominent as Adams receive countless media portrayals, and covering all of them will turn the article into a list. This is why we have a separate List of memorials to John Adams page, which already covers these. Jamedeus (talk) 07:17, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Randy Kryn, a few days ago, you added an artist's name to a caption in the article and were reverted by Nikkimaria, who cited MOS:CREDITS in their edit summary. I have lost track of how many times now you have attempted to add a reference to an artist's name in a caption on this article only to get reverted, usually but not exclusively by Nikkimaria. I don't know what it is about adding the names of artists in captions that causes you to continually do it over and over despite continuously being reverted, as it seems to me like a fairly trivial thing to become obsessed about. But the back and forth pattern needs to stop. Thank you. Display name 99 (talk) 14:20, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Artist name – linked for at least their first caption, except where the article is a biography. The name should not be in bold text."
This guiding language gives due credit to the creator of the image, the artist. In this case the artist is Gilbert Stuart, whose portraits of the American Founding Fathers, along with those of John Trumbull, literally defines how the world remembers and recognizes their appearance. Giving due credit to Gilbert Stuart here seems encyclopedic and accurate, and improves the page, per guideline. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:49, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It says except where the article is a biography. I also wish to draw your attention back to MOS:CREDITS, which says not to include the author's name in the caption unless relevant to the subject. Here, it isn't. You're always welcome to try to have policy changed, but for now, I think that I agree with Nikkimaria that the artists' names should be omitted. Display name 99 (talk) 00:01, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The wording "excerpt where the article is a biography" pertains to the artist's own biographical article (in this case, Gilbert Stuart' s). The visual arts guideline and credits guideline seem equally applicable, and the relevance to the subject, Adams, comes from the fact that he is defined by this notable artwork. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:21, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Couldn’t agree more. I’ve gone back and forth with Nikkimaria a few times as well. Removing the artist from the caption does nothing to improve the article, sadly it does quite the opposite. I’ve argued this a few times, but to no avail. I’ve lost the motivation as I don’t believe any compromises can be reached on this issue. Robertus Pius (Talk • Contribs)00:27, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I echo your concern. Which brings a question, Nikkimaria and Display name 99, why are you so opposed to the names of these prominent artists in a caption under some of their most prominent artworks? Artists like Gilbert Stuart, John Trumbull, and a scarce number of others, knew that only they were presenting the actual images of their subjects to be passed down to the centuries...if they thought that far ahead, and they probably did, knowing that only a few people were painting America's Founding Fathers, and that logically they'd realize that their renditions would define the era. Since the guidelines provide both avenues, what's the problem for, as Robertus Pius says well above, improves the article. In sincerity, I don't know how to understand your reasoning that removing the artists' names under their masterpieces improves the encyclopedia. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:03, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Because the artists and what they may or may not have realized is not the subject of this article, and does not merit being highlighted so prominently. Doing so is a distraction rather than an improvement. I also agree with Display name 99's response above. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:06, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
These paintings define the subject of the page. It's how society pictures them, as they were, and as they led, because the artist was wise and talented enough to leave a true perspective to the Americans of the future. Without these painters, and similar contributions by sculptors, the approximations of John Adams, George Washington, and the rest would not live on. Our two viewpoints both have merit, as you rightly say that adding the linked nams may shift the attention of readers to: "Hey, I recognize that picture! Gilbert Stuart? Never heard of him, I'll check him out...". But what is wrong with that? Reader's choice. If the reader wants to see who was insightful and capable enough to share their real-time experience in Adams' presence with generations to come, why stop them before they start by removing an altogether appropriate link. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:28, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Couldn’t agree more, very well put. I have a great affinity for portrait art. It’s sad other editors consider artists being credited for their beautiful works in the caption to be a distraction. Kind regards, Robertus Pius (Talk • Contribs)19:15, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The simple answer is it doesn’t improve the article whatsoever. Purposely removing informative content from the caption because you consider it a “distraction” is not an improvement to an encyclopedia. Robertus Pius (Talk • Contribs)19:22, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The redirect John Atoms has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 10 § John Atoms until a consensus is reached. TNstingray (talk) 13:06, 10 October 2024 (UTC)