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There is a slight error in the Pinyin transcription in the info box under Flag anthem. It should be Zhōnghuá Mínguó Guóqígē, with the accent over the o in guó. Naqba īmuru (talk) 15:33, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion.A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
This RfC is malformed per WP:RFCNEUTRAL, tendentious, and clearly contradictory to strong existing consensus (cf. the actual argumentation underlying WP:TWRFC). It's clearly either negligent or trolling, and there's no procedural necessity in further entertaining either tendency. Remsense ‥ 论14:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
New to Wikipedia, and why not describe taiwan as de facto country? i searched the archives of this page and its seems theres nobody disagree the facto statement of taiwan. 103.190.179.16 (talk) 11:25, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So, in law it says it is, so does that mean De Jure? This is the problem, it is not like Sealand, it was an independent nation (and member of the UN), it is not in fact a self-declared entity, but a remnant. Slatersteven (talk) 11:37, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Most countries are de facto countries, but that term is usually used for breakaway states that never achieved recognition. That is not the situation for Taiwan, so rather than try to summarise the situation in two words, almost 200 words forming the longest paragraph of the lead are devoted to the topic. CMD (talk) 13:08, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And you know, Taiwan, is commonly referred to Republic of China after retreat. in this way Taiwan seemly has never achieved recognition and more like a breakaway state from historical RoC 103.190.179.16 (talk) 13:33, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
and it doesn't say that summarising the situation in two words and 200 words forming the longest paragraph of the lead are devoted to the topic can't coexist 103.190.179.16 (talk) 13:40, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well i see that ones who replied here are ones always taking part in editing this article. this may lead to maintaining the status quo. what about inviting more editors of other topics to see more opinions?103.190.179.16 (talk) 13:51, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Why not? The period in which the ROC was much larger than Taiwan would not be sensibly covered in an article on Taiwan. The ROC is the same state/government, but it has represented two different countries over its history. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 11:51, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, this article is about Taiwan. Post 1949, the history of Taiwan is that of the ROC. Prior to 1949, we cover the ROC (and China in general) only to the extent that it pertains to Taiwan. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 13:25, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Because Taiwan IS the ROC. Currently. Every country article covers the history of the area before the actual country government existed, just like this one does. What problem are you trying to address? --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 13:47, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The logic I believe is the ROC has continued to exist. There are not two different countries before and after 1949. This topic is still the ROC. Its title was moved to Taiwan to reflect modern usage, and pre-1949 content was split but still summarized here. Vacosea (talk) 20:56, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"There are not two different countries before and after 1949." There most obviously are. A huge country spanning much of a continent and a tiny island country cannot seriously be considered the same country. Same state, yes. Same country, don't make me laugh. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 13:01, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 October 2024
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Not done: per the last RfD on Talk:ROC. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 12:40, 28 October 2024 (UTC)