Talk:Blue Murder (album)

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Review: July 5, 2021. (Reviewed version).

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Wetrorave (talk · contribs) 04:54, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'll review this article's later half first. Yes, later; is it ok to review an album article from bottom to top? The order here will not be reversed; I'm just finding it more effective to review lists before prose, since prose is generally harder to work on

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

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More will follow – or should I say, more will be before... Wetrorave (talk) 04:54, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox and lead

I would suggest converting the citations in the Genre parameter to the prose. Add this to the source code in the beginning of the section Music and lyrics:

''Blue Murder'' explores [[hard rock]],<ref name="RockHard"/> [[heavy metal music|heavy metal]],<ref name="AllMusic"/> and [[glam metal]].<ref name="MetalSucks">{{Cite web|date=2015-10-16|title=Friday 5: What 5 (More) Hair Metal Albums Are Essential?|url=https://www.metalsucks.net/2015/10/16/friday-5-what-5-more-hair-metal-albums-are-essential/|access-date=2021-03-14|website=[[MetalSucks]]|language=en}}</ref>

- With this, the genres will be properly sourced as Template:Infobox album requires
"band Blue Murder. Released on 24 April 1989 by Geffen Records, it was produced by Bob Rock." > "band Blue Murder, released on 24 April 1989 by Geffen Records. It was produced by Bob Rock."
"The band was formed by guitarist John Sykes after his dismissal from Whitesnake. He recruited drummer Cozy Powell, bassist Tony Franklin and vocalist Ray Gillen in early 1987. After recording some demos, Gillen and Powell left, only to be replaced by Tony Martin and Carmine Appice, respectively. However, Martin soon left as well and the rest of the band entered Little Mountain Sound Studios in early 1988 to record their debut album." – is all of this really necessary in the lead? The lead should serve as "an introduction to the article and a summary of its most important contents." I don't think the whole story of the band is necessary in the lead, especially since this is a debut album; try leaving only the info that directly impacted the album
- I would suggest changing it to this: "As a search for a new lead singer proved unsuccessful, guitarist John Sykes eventually took up the role, having already sung the band's first demos."
"from critics," > "from music critics,"

Background

Looks mostly good!

"group's self-titled album, which" > "group's eponymous album, which" – 'eponymous' is the word most used in other Good/Featured articles

Production and composition

Also looks good

Music and lyrics

"described Blue Murder's sound" – in the case Blue Murder is referring to the album, it should be italicized
"have also been compared to" > "have also drawn comparisons to" – "drawn comparisons" is generally easier to read than "have also been compared to", given that it is active rather than passive

Release and promotion

"They then embraked" – embraked?
"a new interview with John Sykes." > "an interview with John Sykes." – 'new' is a subjective and vague word
"as a part of the track listing." > "as part of the content." – this is in order to avoid repetition of the word "list", which has already been mentioned at "pressings listed a tenth song,"

Singles

Looks good

Critical reception

Remove the 'positive' and 'negative' ratings from Guitar World and Spin, which constitute original research according to the Album ratings template
"Raw's Paul Suter" > "Raw's Paul Suter" – use Template:' here
"Rock Hard's review" – also use ' here
"Spin's Jon Young" – '
Italicize Ultimate Classic Rock

This finishes the review. Click here now. Wetrorave (talk) 15:47, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Track listing

Looks good

Personnel

Wikilink the first instance of the word (a) engineer to audio engineer, (b) mixing to audio mixing (recorded music), (c) mastering to mastering (audio), and (d) remastering to remaster

Charts

The refs should be alongside the Peak positions, not the Charts

References

Other than MOS issues, the article seems reliably referenced; there's some YouTube refs normally considered self-published but which are fine since they're interviews of the band's members themselves

Wikilink RockHard on ref 1 to Rock Hard (magazine)
Wikilink AllMusic to AllMusic on ref 2 and cite it as publisher
Wikilink MetalSucks to MetalSucks on ref 3 and cite it as publisher
Cite John Sykes as publisher on refs 6 and 14; on the latter, remove "The Official Website of Guitarist John Sykes"
On ref 7, cite Brave Words & Bloody Knuckles by its full name
Billboard on ref 9 should be website instead of publisher and should wikilink to Billboard (magazine)
Wikilink Billboard on refs 32, 33, and 43 per WP:MOSLINK
Ref 34 should wikilink OC to Official Charts Company
Cite ref 35's website/work as only Melodic Rock rather than MelodicRock.com
I have found no evidence to an editorial process on ref 36, and the source's design as a whole has a very bloggish feel—unless given a reason to be maintained, it is not a reliable source
Wikilink Guitar World on ref 37 to Guitar World
Wikilink Tamba Bay Times on ref 42 to Tampa Bay Times—this is especially necessary, given that this newspaper has won 13 Pulitzer Prizes, thus establishing reliability
Wikilink Decibel on ref 48 to Decibel (magazine)
Italicize the second Blue Murder mention on ref 45, since it is referring to the album
Wikilink Ultimate Classic Rock on ref 49 to Ultimate Classic Rock

Sources

Isn't it better to be more specific and mention this section as "Book sources"? It seems to have been created entirely for that use
- I fixed all the aforementioned issues you brought up in your review.--SilverBullitt (talk) 12:47, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - SilverBullitt: Noice. Now here is a review of the first part. Wetrorave (talk) 15:47, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - Wetrorave: I've fixed all the rest of the issues brought up in the review.--SilverBullitt (talk) 08:04, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      - It's a ✓ Pass then, though I'm not sure if this was the right way for me to do it. Wetrorave (talk) 12:24, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Conclusion

- - On hold until the raised problems are fixed; I really hope my method of reviewing wasn't confusing Wetrorave (talk) 15:47, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Adding the genre "glam metal" to this album?

Hi,

just wanting to know if I can add the genre "glam metal" to this album. Explicitly stated as being such at this source: [1]https://vwmusicrocks.com/return-to-the-sunset-strip-10-underrated-glam-hair-metal-era-albums/?fbclid=IwAR1oEs4vqWjP1b3NV_nJVrV1VIHE25poD9U2sFZzTwsA3v64szTD8ORSILQ

Thanks! AgentKozak (talk) 17:55, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also stated at this source as well: [2]https://www.metalsucks.net/2015/10/16/friday-5-what-5-more-hair-metal-albums-are-essential/ AgentKozak (talk) 17:57, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, definitely! It's also mentioned in the Music and lyrics section, so must have been an oversight not including it in the infobox. SilverBullitt (talk) 19:58, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]