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Indie is not a genre

This article should be substantially revised. Indie describes the relationship (or lack thereof) of a musical artists with the recording industry. The artists can actually be performing in any genre. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.92.107.127 (talk) 21:25, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

As long as they're performing in Indianapolis, right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.253 (talk) 21:01, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

"Tweelectro" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Tweelectro and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 July 18#Tweelectro until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Anarchyte (talk) 05:53, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Disability Rhetorics

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 29 August 2022 and 12 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Other Friend, Different Hat (article contribs).

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Improvement of first source?

Is there any better source that can be used for the first sentence in the first lead paragraph? I can't find anything about the author online and the website seems dubious at best. ~~~~ Mikeyosefj (talk) 06:18, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Encyclopedic

I know talk pages tend toward the technical rather than philosophical, and what I'm about to write may seem ambiguous, but does this page constitute a break down in authority, so to speak? Depending on so many disparate sources, and seemingly disallowing no source that is even plausibly journalistic, has produced a busy, incoherent mess of an entry.

I'm not trying to be regressive, but isn't accuracy, authority, concision and clarity what elevates and encyclopedia above a fan created wiki? This page is inaccurate, dodgy, rambling and an utter bramble of underqualified opinions and outright conjecture.

Well, good night. 2601:1C1:4202:7D50:FDC0:2213:F4D6:A596 (talk) 06:41, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

I went through a few months ago to fix exactly that. There has been some other major additions since, but the main basis of my edits, at least, were to cut it down to only the discussion of the main movements and subgenres and the most influential and commercially visible moments, as well as removing all info accredited to unreliable sources or info that isn't verifiably from the sources cited. What specific parts do you see as a problem now? Because there is far, far less rambling than there was only back in June, and as far as I can tell everything is still cited directly how it is described in reliable sources. Issan Sumisu (talk) 09:14, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Digital Cultures

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Over-reaching claims about Dunedin sound

It seems like a big fan of the Dunedin sound is responsible for a large part of this article, and the unsupported assertions that Indie is a genre and that it originated in Dunedin. These assertions are contradictory to the other correct portions of the text that point out that Indie comprises a wide variety of rock subgenres. I would propose that most of the Dunedin material and the assertions that Indie is a genre should be extracted. 74.12.77.238 (talk) 05:29, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

The body does not say that indie "originated in Dunedin", it says the Dunedin sound influenced indie rock. That paragraph has become rather bloated since it was first inserted, but this is not unsupported, it is cited to Trans-Global Punk Scenes The Punk Reader Volume 2', which states:

Dunedin, the second-largest city in the South Island after Christchurch, known for its geographical isolation, Scottish heritage and Gothic architecture, 'in a very good way' (Chapman 2016: 13), would become famous for the 'Dunedin Sound'. The term 'refers loosely to the output of a number of acts affiliated with the Flying Nun label during the 1980s, whose legacy is celebrated among indie rock circles internationally' (Wilson and Holland 2018: 69). The Dunedin Sound produced bands such as the Chills and the Clean and many others emerged due to 'much intermingling of artists, with group members often moving from one group to another or playing for several groups at one time' (McLeay 1994: 38). While the Dunedin Sound was predominately associated with indie rock, Aotearoa has since produced diverse bands, such as the Datsuns, Suburban Reptiles and Die! Die! Die! that encompass a mix of genres, such as rock, punk and post-punk respectively.

The assertion that indie rock is a genre has been present on this article for over a decade. If you look back on this talk page, you can see when this has been discussed, and every time the consensus has been that it is a genre. There is a seperate independent music article. Issan Sumisu (talk) 11:10, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

i thik so 196.191.219.182 (talk) 16:42, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

As an additional commentator here, I would like to support the statement above. Someone has clearly tried to exaggerate the role of Dunedin in the history of indie rock. Saying the genre 'originated there' is just a very exaggerated, if not factually incorrect, statement. The writer below says that the body does "not" say that indie "originated in Dunedin", but the start of the Wiki page does indeed say this. I came to this Wikipedia page because I read on a website somewhere that indie rock "originated in Dunedin". Clearly someone read the Wiki and is perpetuating this myth. The point is not to be mean to Dunedin, for it can surely be included in the story of indie rock, but the genre simply did not start there. You can even see this on this Wikipedia page farther down when it talks about the origins of the term. This page clearly needs substantial revisions. Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:8C:482:3E10:F45C:B0A:146:C045 20:42, 25 October 2024

Could you direct me to where in the article it says that indie rock started in Dunedin, because all I can find is the lead's "The sound of indie rock has its origins in the New Zealand Dunedin sound" and the Origins section's "Dunedin produced the independent record label Flying Nun Records, whose artists defined the Dunedin sound, which would be particularly influential on the development of indie rock's sound.", both of which are just saying it influenced the sound using different wordings. Are these the parts you're referring to? Because, if these quote can be mistaken to mean what you're saying, then I supposed they should be reworded, as they definitely are not supposed to mean that. Issan Sumisu (talk) 21:53, 25 October 2024 (UTC)