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This list was listed here before for deletion and the consensus was to keep, but there is a reason for it to be deleted. This list demonstrates a vehicle for unconditional POV hero worship to Harry Potter, and especially for chapter titles, despite the fact that I admire Harry Potter's books and author J.K. Rowling's rise from rags to riches. Wikipedia is not to be a vehicle for Harry Potter fans. Marcus2 15:32, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)

As you say, this has already been debated and decided: you tried once only a month ago and failed. If you don't like reading about Harry Potter, don't click on the links. Are you going to condemn the huge number of articles about other fictional characters and concepts? That's the slippery slope down which certain people want to send Wikipedia: who should decide whether a subject is "worthy of inclusion"? If you cannot bring anything new to the discussion, there's no discussion to be had. --Phil | Talk 16:51, Aug 2, 2004 (UTC)
You're wrong about one thing. I do like reading Harry Potter. And I doubt you even read all of what I have stressed above. I shall repeat, "This list was listed here before for deletion and the consensus was to keep, but there is a reason for it to be deleted. This list demonstrates a vehicle for unconditional POV hero worship to Harry Potter, and especially for chapter titles, despite the fact that I admire Harry Potter's books and author J.K. Rowling's rise from rags to riches. Wikipedia is not to be a vehicle for Harry Potter fans." Votes? Marcus2 17:20, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • I seem to recall having voted to keep this. It's a strange entry to be sure, but benign. Frankly, I thought it interesting to learn how some of the names Rowling had to make up were translated into other languages. - Lucky 6.9 17:28, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)
    • Very good point. Maybe this is worth it after all. Keep, I guess. Marcus2 17:31, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • I'd say delete, compressing all of the translated word trivia into one article. A whole series on HP translations is probably not necessary. User:Rich Farmbrough voted to keep last time, saying "1. Dividing things vertically (in this case into languages) is not 100% clean. 2. There will always be different ways of slicing information in a static encyclopedia." For those two reasons I would say to delete, because this division of information is particularly arbitrary, and a primary goal of Wikipedia should be to promote the most useful divisions of information. -- WOT 17:45, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. If the article isn't kept, at least the information should be (maybe those voting for deletion would be happy with some sort of re-formatting?) Salasks 19:39, Aug 2, 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. I like Harry Potter as well, but this is just too much. Elf-friend 19:46, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • You can't just relist things on VfD every month because you don't like them. You failed (not through lack of effort!) to convince people to delete this last time, why not just leave it be? Keep. —Kate | Talk 20:02, 2004 Aug 2 (UTC)
    • To be honest with you, you are so blind. You ought to know by now that it's NOT because I don't like the article or Harry Potter in general. If I've just made a personal attack, let me know. Marcus2 21:32, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)
      • Why, then? It was on VfD, it survived, what's to be gained by relisting it this soon? —Kate | Talk 21:34, 2004 Aug 2 (UTC)
      • Keep, Kate has an excellent point. How many times do you have to get denied for your VFD to understand people like the article? --TIB 23:03, Aug 7, 2004 (UTC)
  • is there some rule on the minimum length of time between VfDs? Keep, on general principles. --Ianb 20:18, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)
    • I'm not aware of any fixed waiting time between vfds, but six months sounds fair to me. No vote. Wile E. Heresiarch 21:19, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • I think I voted delete last time. I expect the outcome to be the same. Perhaps a rule against short term relisting should be added. - Tεxτurε 21:26, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. Anything that assists in expunging the curse that is Harry Potterism from the face of the earth has my support!--Gene_poole 23:10, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • I dunno whether it should be kept or not. Obviously a tremendous amount of work has gone in to it, and the article itself seems innocuous enough, at least to someone like me who is both totally uninterested in HP in all his manifestations and disinterested as well. Although, frankly, I can't see why anyone in the world would want to have this info at his disposal -- it seems totally useless to me. Perhaps it should be moved to some other HP location. One thing that I don't understand, however, is why, if there are several hundred chapters listed, the blinkin' names of the books aren't shown in translation? Surely this would be a more useful project than chapter names. And if the book titles in translation exist in another article, then that is the place that this article should be. In which case I would strongly urge a Move. Hayford Peirce 00:07, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Weak keep, but keep. Herman Melville's Moby-Dick, or the Whale is often thought to begin with the line "Call me Ishmael," but in fact it begins with the etymology of the word "whale," followed by "KETOS, Greek. CETUS, Latin. WHOEL, Anglo-Saxon. HVALT, Danish. WAL, Dutch. HWAL, Swedish. WHALE, Icelandic. WHALE, English. BALEINE, French. BALLENA, Spanish. PEKEE-NUEE-NUEE, Fegee. PEKEE-NUEE-NUEE, Erromangoan." If this sort of thing is good enough for Melville, it should be good enough for us. Yes, the page is a little eccentric, but not enough to warrant deletion. It's intriguing to see how the invented names get translated into different languages—rather like seeing foreign translations of Jabberwocky. [[User:Dpbsmith|dpbsmith (talk)]] 01:49, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. And any page re-listed on here less than a year after it is kept should be automatically kept. Re-listing in the hopes that the results will change is a waste of resources. Jgm 02:15, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep based solely on the fact that this survived VfD in the recent past. I would gladly vote to delete, as I did last time, if this comes back to VfD in about six months. Until then, Keep on GP. SWAdair | Talk 07:30, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep, on GP. Nominate it in 2005 (I don't think it needs to wait a full year, but I do think six months is appropriate), and I'll probably vote delete. Niteowlneils 17:33, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Compared with some of the stuff on this encyclopedia this is positively scholarly. DJ Clayworth 17:48, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Even though it's basically raw data it is at least categorised, and some effort went into it. Although it is mostly of interest to only Harry Potter fans, deleting it because some people hate HP is worse than creating something because people like HP. Keeping it is harmless. Rico 23:28, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. I disagree about it being for HP fans. I'm not a HP fan yet I'm a major contributor to the HP in translation series. Becuase it in linguistically interesting. The only reason I read the first book was because I was looking for something easy to read in French, a language which I do not otherwise know. The chapter titles alone are great titles of the worldplay which represents major translation challenges. These books are probably the most-translated contemporary fiction readable by such a wide age range. I have learned more about applied literary translation from these articles than from any other source. I can give examples if needed. I admit the formatting and even the division of pages needs quite a bit of improvement. The content, however, is valuable. — Hippietrail 13:16, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
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