Talk:List of extraterrestrials in fiction by type

Awesome article, lousy picture.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.250.140.219 (talk) 19:13, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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War of the Worlds Martians were not humanoid. Not sure where they should go. --JG

It depends how far you're prepared to push "humanoid"; Wells's Martians were supposedly the highly-evolved form of a humanoid species. (As a matter of fact, the description of the Martians is based on an article Wells had written about what the human race will develop into after another few millennia of technological development. The article even gets name-checked in the novel, although the narrator is a bit sarcastic about it and neglects to mention who it was by.) --Paul A 01:40, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)

...and to be pedantic, definitely-humanoid Martians do get mentioned in The War of the Worlds: see the description in the twenty-second chapter of what the invaders packed to eat during their trip to Earth... --Paul A 02:01, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)

That's true. But the important Martians look like weird squid, and just because humans were expected to evolve into a particular form doesn't make that humanoid.

I think we should give a page to the aliens from Independence Day. Even though their name was never mentioned, we can call them "migrators" or something. Oh, and about the humanoid/Martian thing you guys are talking about, I think humanoids are aliens that look human, but have slightly different features (horns, pointed ears, forehead ridges, etc.). Just look at the countless aliens from Star Trek.-B-101

Where do the Yautja (Predators) go? I put them under reptilian, but I don't think that is the right place for them.-B-101

Lots of aliens fit into multiple categories. For instance, xenomorphs could fall under parasites, insectoid aliens, or semi-intelligent species. Since Predator biochemistry is obviously so different (their blood is green), I'd just toss them in the "Humanoid" section.

Speaking of which, I've noticed that many, many of those humanoids come from either Star Wars or Star Trek. What does everyone think of giving species from those universes their own categories to allow a little more diversity in the rest of the list? It might make a good project for a rainy day...Maybe I'll even do it myself over the summer.

By the way, as far as those creatures from Independence Day go, the (defunct?) website NCXRI calls them Invaders. I think it sounds pretty good. Teflon Don 06:13, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Why is the SW Empire and Imperium of Man in the multi-species intereact column? They interact only in the sense that non-humans are brutally oppressed, "interaction" here seems defined so broadly as to include any empire inhabiting a galaxy with multiple species. By all rights these human groups shouldn't be on a page devoted to aliens.

Coordinators (Gundam SEED)

Although Coordinators are genetically engineered, they are not genetically egneered to the point that they are a seperate speices as man. In contrast to this is the Abh, who have altered their genome to the point that they even added an extra senory organ to their body system, and the Adeptus Astares, who while mostly human is altered to the point of being a seperate speices. --Eldarone 01:23, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Many of those on the list such as the Eloi, Sebaceans and Nietzscheans aren't their own species either and are still on the list. I don't see why Coordinators can't belong on there. As for the Abh, though they are built to survive in space with their various modifications, I don't believe it has ever been stated directly that they are their own separate species. Timon

Because Coordinators have not been genetically engeeneered or developed enough to become a seperate race. This is the same reason why Augments are not listed. Nierzscheans are genetically engeenered enough to be different enough to be an offshoot of humanity, namly the arm bone barbs they have. Sebaceans are different enough from humans (namly Sebaceans are extremly more senstive to heat than humans). The Abh are genetically altered enough that they might as well be another species, they have different oregans than most humans. i might also note that in SEED, Chirman Clyne that Coordinators did not evolve. Coordinators have no major alternations from humans, and have not shown any major differences from humans. Compared the Adeptus Astares (Space Marines) and Coordinators. The Space MArines have different organs and have demonstrated beyond human capabilites. Unless you can prove that Coordinators are a different race, they are not considered an different spieces. --Eldarone 23:19, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Those characteristics such as the bones spurs and heat sensitivity are hardly characteristics to determine if one is a separate race from humans or not. By your method of measurement, then Whites, Africans and Asians would be considered separate species due to their differing superficial characteristics. And if you used superhuman abilities as a measure to determine if one is a different species then the Coordinators would be included due to their increased resistance to disease, ability to survive in harsher conditions and their ability to pilot mobile suits without the use of the Gundam OS. Furthermore if you looked at the information on Nietzscheans, you'd realize they're not a separate race and instead are a subspecies of homo sapiens very much like the Coordinators in that they can mate and produce fertile offspring with baseline humanity. So if Nietzscheans can be included in this list, I don't see why Coordinators can't be.Timon

It's not supefical. Humans do not have bone spurs or are extreme oversenstiveness to heat (because they don't have a gland to do that). Sabaceans and Niteczeans ahave a genome that is different enough, and with different organs, that they are a seperate speices from humans. The Bone Blades are a different enough feature from normal humans that they can be considered a different speices, if closely related to mankind. Coordinators are only genetically enhanced, nothing new has been added to their genome that they become a different speices. Atonomically and genetically, Coordinators are still human, even if they are faster or stronger. --Eldarone 02:45, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's been a while since I played Star Control so maybe I'm missing a footnote from the instructions that mentioned a canine humanoid "Doog" species, but afaik there was no such thing in Starcon. I think whoever added that list item may be thinking of the Chenjesu alt-fire weapon, DOGIs (De-energizing Offensive Guided Interceptors), which make doggy sounds. They're not even remotely humanoid though, and they're probably not even life-forms in the first place. I'd remove the item myself but I'm not confident enough in my remembrance to do so so I thought I'd mention it here. :) -- singe@ix.netcom.com 17:28, 27 Sep 2006 (PST)

New Additions

I recently have been catching up on the television show Earth 2 and was wondering where to put Terrians and Grendlers (both alien races encountered in the show). During one of the episodes, the doctor Julia, analyzes Terrian cellular material and says that it's like nothing she's seen before- organic, mineral, etc. It was like a "little bit of everything." The show didn't specifically address Grendler physiology or origin, other than making note of their incredible strength, anti-septic like saliva, and obsessive desire to gather and trade. Anyway, I wanted to add them to the list but decided I'd better bring in some backup because if I was wrong it could take quite a while before anyone else caught it. Thanks. Mrobviousjosh 05:36, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge discussion

At Talk:List of extraterrestrials in fiction#Merge. Thanks. -- Quiddity (talk) 20:55, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Constellations

On 6 February, 2008 user 68.252.240.191 added the constellations Gemini, Virgo, and Libra to the Humanoid extraterrestrials section and Sagittarius to the Centaurs section. No "work", such as "ancient mythology" or "zodiac" was provided with these entries. I propose that these entries be removed as they do not match the definition of extraterrestrials that is used in the rest of this list.-- Thinking of England (talk) 11:04, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've just removed them. -- Thinking of England (talk) 01:52, 4 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]